ho sentito nominare questa parola varie volte, cosa significa?

conoscete siti dove spiegano i termini "tecnici" del porno?

Credo che le origini della parola "gonzo" viene dalla stampa/giornalismo.
In porno vuol dire che e' un prodotto con nessuna trama, musica: insomma sesso dal principio alla fine.

E' uno come te! (è una battutaccia, lo so, non ti offendere, sto scherzando)

vuol dire che devi imparare ad usare il motore di ricerca di Superzeta: il 99% delle domande che poni è già  stata discussa (a parte quella su Bobbit... davvero unica!).


Lz

len801 ha scritto:Credo che le origini della parola "gonzo" viene dalla stampa/giornalismo.
In porno vuol dire che e' un prodotto con nessuna trama, musica: insomma sesso dal principio alla fine.

Non è così, un prodotto senza trama solo con sesso dall'inizio alla fine è un all-sex, il genere gonzo è stato "inventato" da John Stagliano e trattasi di un reality video dove l'operatore/regista dialoga con gli interpreti e li segue con la telecamera in mano... vedi il mio avatar!!!

www.labottegadeidesideri.com

Roby, Stagliano non l'ha inventato lui, ci sono stati altri prima di lui. Certo che lui l'ha molto perfezionato, ma c'era un tipo prima di lui che girava le strade di New York non ricordo il suo nome, e poi c'era anche Ed Powers e Jamie Gillis che avevano fatto delle cose similari con cui rimorchiavano le donne per le strade e li scopavano in una stanza.

Ecco come e' definito la parola "gonzo" al Database IAFD.com:
http://www.rame.net/faq/part1.html#xtocid-156001915

Gonzo
Mike South says: "GONZO is defined in the AVN as any movie which makes use of a "talking camera" i.e. POV (point of view) style shooting, where the cameraman is also the actor. It would also include the involvement of the audience as part of the movie, not just third party spectators. This would apply to myself, Buttman, etc. And going way back even before Buttman, Ugly George in New York, who was to the best of my knowledge the first "Gonzo" shooter."

The term itself probably came from the works of Dr. Hunter S. Thompson, whose first hand accounts of various events was called "gonzo journalism." The porn style in question is basically a first hand account of finding people fucking or finding people to fuck.

Allora e' uno stile di filmare persone (prima, durante e doppo l'atto sessuale) nel punto di vista del camerman/regista.
Ed infatto la citazione qui sopra fa menzione del pioniere di questo stile di filmare, che sarebbe un certo "Ugly George" a cui mi ero riferito nel mio post precedente. Stagliano ha reso questo stile popolare e super copiato, ma il primo a farlo era infatti Ugly George che con una cinepresa video (in quesi tempi non erano quelle mini camera che si unsano oggi) faceva il giro di New York and cercava di conversare con ragazze per scopo di fare sesso.
Pero' oggi la parola "gonzo" ha preso altri dimensioni e spesso si riferisce a film in cui c'e solo sesso.
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Per UVZ che chiedeva se esistevano siti dove "spiegano i termini "tecnici" del porno?", si trova allo stesso link che ho dato qui sopra, e riproduco qui con certe modifiche:

Glossary 69

How DOES one explain this to the uninitiated? Easiest way: each person performs oral sex on the other. The most comfortable way to achieve this is for one partner to lay down belly-to-belly on the other. (Kinda like the 6 and the 9 look... hence the name!)

"a2m" (anal to mouth) (dal culo alla bocca)
This refers to the removal of something (usually dick) from a rectal cavity and the placing of said object into a mouth without any editing or other production chicanery. The object should remain visible at all times. It is usually preferred that the ass and mouth belong to the same person, but it is not mandatory.



AIM
Adult Industry Medicine. A service clinic used by the adult industry for testing for AIDS, etc..and run by former porn actress Sharon Mitchell
alt.binaries.multimedia.erotica or abpe or a.b.m.e.


"Autofellatio"
A term used to refer to the extraordinary ability to suck one's own cock. Often, the male involved has to either have incredible flexibility or have a fairly large penis. Al Eingang, Grant Fagan, and Scott O'Hara are known for their amazing autofellatio talents. Ron Jeremy can also "keep himself amused."

AVI
Audio Video Interleave: This is Microsoft's standard for capturing video to play back to your computer. Like its single-frame counterpart .BMP, AVI files are huge and take forever to download. Most people prefer MPEGs, though there is some bickering over standards and a good Windows viewer.

"B/G" or "M/F"
Boy-girl/ male-female; denotes a standard boy-girl sex scene. Often stretched to describe any type of scene - i.e b-g-g or MFF are both valid descriptors for two gals and a guy.

"B&D" (bondage & domination)
See "Bondage"

"bear"
A term used in gay porn usually to refer to a performer with a lot of body hair. Bears are also usually older, with facial hair, and tend to be stocky.

"bondage"
Bondage films usually involve ropes, fetters, chains, or manacles. American law usually forbids that sex occur while the performer is still bound, or that the performer show that he/she can remove the bondage without assistance.

"BJ" or Hummer (pompino)
A blowjob.


"cowgirl"
A sexual position where the girl is on top of the guy face to face, sitting up and riding. The opposite is the reverse cowgirl, where the girl faces away from the guy.

"cum dodger"
A performer (usually female) who does her best to avoid getting cum on her face.

"cum shot" or money shot (sborrata, schizzata)
The part of the movie when the man ejaculates.

"cum swap"
A relatively new occurrence which is increasing in popularity; the exchange of saliva and semen from the mouth of one person to the other and sometimes back again. Related to felching.

DAP (doppia penetrazione anale)
Double Anal Penetration -- Two cocks in the ass.

DP (doppia penetrazione)
Double Penetration - One penis in the vagina, the other in the anus. In gay porn, DP means two cocks in one ass, as seen in several Falcon and Robert Prion films from 1991 - 1994 (most notably the "Abduction" series from Falcon). In hetero films, that is known as a DAP. Jim Holliday calls this position a "sandwich" and considers a DP what we call a DPP.

DPP (doppia penetrazione vaginale)
Double Pussy Penetration -- Just as it says; two cocks in one pussy. Jim Holliday calls this a "DP"

Evil Empire (il nick per la ditta Evil Angel)
Coined by AVN, the people whose works are distributed by Evil Angel are sometimes collectively referred to as the "Evil Empire." The empire currently consists of John "Buttman" Stagliano, Joey Silvera, Rocco Siffredi and John Leslie.


"Felching" (ingoio di sperma che e' espulso dal sedere o fica di un'altra persona)
Broadened to mean eating the semen expelled from your or someone else's vagina or ass. Vedi la scena entro Rebecca Lord and Vanessa Chase nel film "Gangbang Girl, Vol. 14".

"Fisting"
La mano intera inserita nella fica o sedere di una persona. Most communities feel that fisting is obscene, so mainstream pornographers tend to stay away from it.


"Fluffer"
A fluffer is a person hired to keep the male performers erect during breaks in filming. They were popular during the 70s, and now they are usually reserved for those ridiculously huge gangbangs.



"Gangbang" (or GB)
When many participants (usually male) have their way with one (usually) female. Gangbangs usually contain more than 4 people.

"G/G" (or g-g)
Girl-Girl. A lesbian sexual encounter. Per indicare che e' una scena lesbica. Quando si referisce al film si parla di "all-girl" per lesbiche e per film gai si dice "all-male"


Golden Showers (g/s)
Urinating on someone who wants to be urinated on. Related to Brown Showers which involves fecal matter instead of urine. "Pissing" vuol dire semplicemente pisciare, mentre "golden showers" vuol dire urinare su qualcuno.

Gonzo
Mike South says: "GONZO is defined in the AVN as any movie which makes use of a "talking camera" i.e. POV (point of view) style shooting, where the cameraman is also the actor. It would also include the involvement of the audience as part of the movie, not just third party spectators. This would apply to myself, Buttman, etc. And going way back even before Buttman, Ugly George in New York, who was to the best of my knowledge the first "Gonzo" shooter."
The term itself probably came from the works of Dr. Hunter S. Thompson, whose first hand accounts of various events was called "gonzo journalism." The porn style in question is basically a first hand account of finding people fucking or finding people to fuck.


Leather films
Usually a film in which the performers wear leather harnesses, jackets, caps, pants or chaps, vests, etc. Leather films tend to feature rougher sex. Leather films are a major gay porn genre, although many het films also feature leather.


MM or m/m
Male-male action, usually used in reference to bisexual videos where the men engage in sexual activity with each other rather than only with the woman.



MFF (un maschio e due donne)
Male/Female/Female. See a threesome.

"mish" (posizione missionaria, donna sotto e maschio sopra)
Short for missionary -- a sexual position allegedly taught to the natives by missionaries... man on top between the woman's parted legs. The term is most often used in reviews: "Tom and Tori then mish for a little while..."


"raincoater"
A term derived from the olden days when men usually wore raincoats into porn theatres to mask both their identities and the fact that they were masturbating. Today on forums and adult discussion sites, the term has come to mean a type of movie without any type of plot - just fucking (and raw fucking at that). A Vivid movie will probably never make a "raincoater" list. Raincoaters tend to prefer a more extreme type of porn which often includes (but is not limited to) gaping assholes, ultra-hardcore anal fucking and fisting.


"reverse cowgirl" or RC
A sexual position where the girl on top of guy, facing his feet, sitting up and riding him. This seems to be a favorite of asm readers as it allows fairly unfettered and more "natural" camera work.

"Reverse Anal Cowgirl" or RAC
Same as RC, but with anal instead of vaginal penetration.

"rimming"
The act of licking someone's anus.

S&M
Sado-masochism. Usually sex which involves bondage (see above) but also the infliction of pain and/or humiliation. American law usually forbids sexual activity while S&M occurs.


Spooning
Usually performed after sex, when two individuals lie on their sides, facing the same direction, and perfectly fit together, like two spoons.

Sybian
Picture a big can with a post sticking out of the top of it. You sit upon the post. The post is designed so it stimulates both the clitoris and the vaginal walls. The post is also hooked up to a motor which can move the post in four ways, up, back and side to side with varying degrees of intensity.


TP
Triple Penetration - One in pussy, one in ass, one in her mouth. Wow!

Trade
A term used in gay porn to refer to a performer who does not kiss, suck cock, or get fucked in the ass. Also referred to as "straight trade." Good examples include Jeff Stryker and Rex Chandler, and early in his career, Ryan Idol.


Twink
A term used to describe certain gay performers. A twink is young, smooth, pretty. Not necessarily blond, although that's the archetype. Other attributes thought of as twinky are: Almost invariably NO musculature, and acts like a little boy, too. Usually a bottom. Most guys would consider a touch of baby fat to be essentially twinky, but Tim doesn't.


Watersports (W/S)
See Golden Showers.

In un intervista con Hunter S. Thompson, lui spiega l'origini della parola "gonzo":
http://www.bordersstores.com/features/f ... sonhunters


HST: Well, I've never seen that much of a distinction. I saw myself then as a writer, and I saw that I could do things I wanted to do by using that talent for writing. I remember when I was working in San Juan many, many years ago with Bill Kennedy"he's now William"you know, the novelist, lives in Albany, still a very good friend. He was then the managing editor of a paper that refused to hire me. When he didn't hire me, well, I threatened to kill him and jam something up his ass, a bronze plaque. But I went down there and got a job on a magazine, and we became fast friends. Kennedy had very little respect for what he was doing as a journalist, and I condemned him as a hack because I wanted to write novels. I was writing a novel down there when I was in Puerto Rico.

That was The Rum Diary?

HST: Yeah. And over the years it got to where Bill was the novelist and I was the "gonzo" journalist. Yeah, I never really was entirely comfortable with the word "gonzo." It was not mine originally.

The writer Bill Cardoso came up with that, right?

HST: Yeah, yeah. He was Portuguese, and it was a Portuguese term that meant sort of wild or unexpected or off the wall. Where the gonzo came up, where Cardoso came in, was when I did a Kentucky Derby story for Scanlon's, and, for a lot of reasons, I considered it a failure. I ended up locked in some hotel in New York, right across the street from the office or down the street, just miserable and feeling like a failure, and I finally ended up ripping my pages actually out of my notebook and giving them to the copyboy out of despair. The issue was ready to go to press, but I was blank. I remember just lying in the bathtub in the suite in New York, just not even reading anything, just lying in kind of half-warm water and feeling like my life was over, that I would never be able to make a living writing again"that I'd completely failed.

But that turned out to be one of your most famous pieces.

HST: Oh yeah, yeah. The first response I got was from Cardoso, who said, "Congratulations, man. Perfect. You know, that was pure gonzo." And so I got gonzo in a way by failure. I figured anybody who couldn't turn in typed pages on time was neither a writer nor a journalist. Just sort of an asshole.

len801 ha scritto:. Most communities feel that fisting is obscene, so mainstream pornographers tend to stay away from it.

mainstream pornographers??? Questa mi è proprio nuova!

Forse dovremmo iniziare a fare distinzioni simili anche qui in Italia...


LZ

Lord Zork ha scritto:

len801 ha scritto:. Most communities feel that fisting is obscene, so mainstream pornographers tend to stay away from it.

mainstream pornographers??? Questa mi è proprio nuova!

Forse dovremmo iniziare a fare distinzioni simili anche qui in Italia...


LZ

Vuol dire che le case di produzionie/distribuzione "tradizionali" (mainstream) negli Stati Uniti (Vivid, VCA, Wicked, e tutte le altre ben conoscute) non fanno film con fisting per paura di ripercussioni delle autorita' (Seymore Butts e altri hanno avuto problemi con la legge proprio per questo).

quindi in un certo senso anche la serie "venom" è gonzo?

Per ripetere, "gonzo" vuole dire il modo di filmare partecipanti che sono al corrente che sono filmati, cioe' guardano la cinepresa, fanno dei commentari e il regista o il cameraman dietro la cinepresa le parla, ecc.
Questo e' il contrario dei film tradizionali con trama, in cui gli attori non danno nessuna indicazione della presenza della cinepresa. Questo vuole dire "gonzo" pero' oggi tutti i film dove non c'e trama, nient'altro che scene di sesso continuo, sono messi nella stessa categoria.

len801 ha scritto:Per ripetere, "gonzo" vuole dire il modo di filmare partecipanti che sono al corrente che sono filmati, cioe' guardano la cinepresa, fanno dei commentari e il regista o il cameraman dietro la cinepresa le parla, ecc.
Questo e' il contrario dei film tradizionali con trama, in cui gli attori non danno nessuna indicazione della presenza della cinepresa. Questo vuole dire "gonzo" pero' oggi tutti i film dove non c'e trama, nient'altro che scene di sesso continuo, sono messi nella stessa categoria.

Alla fine bene o male avevo ragione io... Sono i film all-sex che erroneamente vengon chiamati gonzo!!!

www.labottegadeidesideri.com

Non è così, un prodotto senza trama solo con sesso dall'inizio alla fine è un all-sex, il genere gonzo è stato "inventato" da John Stagliano e trattasi di un reality video dove l'operatore/regista dialoga con gli interpreti e li segue con la telecamera in mano... vedi il mio avatar

Roby, sei parzialmente corretto. Hai fatto DUE dichiarazioni:
(1) che un film con sesso dall'inizio alla fine si chiama "all-sex"
(2) che John "Buttman" Stagliano ha inventato il genere gonzo

Per la prima sei corretto, solo che non vedi nessuna copertina o pubblicita' oggi che indica che il contenuto di un film VHS/DVD e' "all-sex". Sarebbe quasi ridicolo dire una cosa simile oggi, credo che si usava nel principio degli anni 70 ma non piu' ora. Allora e' piu' facile per gli distributori e consumatori di dire che si tratta di "gonzo". Tutti capiscono che e' un prodotto senza trama, senza musica, possibilmente con un piccola intervista nelll'inizio della scena, e subito i partecipanti si mettono a fare sesso sensa quasi nessuno preliminario. Quello che resta e' che i personaggi nel film sono al corrente che sono filmati, riconoscono la presenza della cinepresa, rispondono a domande fatte dal regista/ cameraman dietro la cinepresa, ecc. Nei film di fiction, sia hard o tradizionale, non c'e' nessuna riconoscenza della presenza del regista o cinepresa, tutto si svolge come "normale".

Per la questione di chi ha iniziato a fare i film "gonzo" nel vero senso della parola, e' stato un certo Ugly George circa 20 anni fa e non John Stagliano. Questo e' innegabile, tutti nell'industria lo hanno confermato. Dopo di Ugly George c'e stato Jamie Gillis (con ON THE PROWL-1989),
seguito poco dopo da Ed Powers (BUS STOP TALES, DIRTY DEBUTANTES), e dopo di Powers, John Stagliano verso il 1990.
Ti cito un post recente al Newsgroup RAME (sorellastra del database IAFD.com):

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&l ... es.erotica

Ugly George started around 1984 in films like "Big Busted Girls of Ugly George" and "Mondo Sexuals USA". George was indeed, the first one to utilize the technique of running around with a video camera and taping women, similar to what Ed did in his Bus Stop Tales and what they are doing with this "Girls Gone Wild" series. Randy Detroit (who I believe is actually gayporn director Edward James under a pseudonym) didn't start until 1992.

When people talk about Ed, and where he got the idea to run around with a camera, I personally believe he got it from Jamie Gillis and his "On The
Prowl" series, which came out in 1989. Ed's Bus Stop Tales started that same year, but months later.

Ed actually mentioned Ugly George in an interview with Dirk Calhoun;
DC: Now, tell us about your approach in Bus Stops -- where you can see them, and they can see you?
Ed Powers: Number One, my most natural assistance is the way I look. I'm non-threatening, I'm a very casual type guy, and my approach is very honest and up-front. I have a camera!

DC: Like Ugly George.
Ed Powers: Phewww, don't compare me to Ugly George!

DC: But he's always running around with a camera, too.
EP: And in a diaper! I'm running around in a nice car, dressed nice, and I'm honest.

With More Dirty Debutantes, Ed truly was a pioneer. His style of 'interview
then fuck' has become extremely popular in contemporary porn and it can, for the most, be traced back to Ed. It's a formula that I've grown bored with, but I style have to give the man credit for popularizing it. I realize that others were doing it, but Ed was the one who suggested that simple discussion could be the foreplay. That reality-based porn could me
marketable.

By the way, John Stagliano didn't start his Buttman series until 1990. This
is one year after Ed. Seymore Butts started in 1990. Rodney Moore started



http://www.uglygeorge.com/

len801 ha scritto:

Lord Zork ha scritto:

len801 ha scritto:. Most communities feel that fisting is obscene, so mainstream pornographers tend to stay away from it.

mainstream pornographers??? Questa mi è proprio nuova!

Forse dovremmo iniziare a fare distinzioni simili anche qui in Italia...


LZ

Vuol dire che le case di produzionie/distribuzione "tradizionali" (mainstream) negli Stati Uniti (Vivid, VCA, Wicked, e tutte le altre ben conoscute) non fanno film con fisting per paura di ripercussioni delle autorita' (Seymore Butts e altri hanno avuto problemi con la legge proprio per questo).

nei film lo vietano, e nei siti internet, lo si trova in gran quantita!!
a volte gli americani sono poco coerenti