[O.T.] HOLLYWOOD e dintorni

[SoTTO di nove]

Qualcuno gli sta contestando tutti i primi 5 punti. Qualcun altro usa i punti 2 e 3 per rafforzare le sue tesi atte a contestargli i punti 4 e 5.
Imho il punto 1 è impossibile da dimostrare, anzi un buon avvocato potrebbe rivalersi sulle accusatrici che si limitano a raccontare a mezzo stampa situazioni private non sfociate in alcun reato. Sul punto 4 vorrei capire se, in privato, la molestia necessita di contatto o se per voi (e per la legge) basta essere spudorati nell'approccio.

[Drogato_ di_porno]

Domanda ai figli della misericordia: ok che sto tipo è un puttaniere senza speranza, ma leggere su tutti i giornali la parola stupro, usata con tanta leggerezza, non vi fa attorcigliare le budella? A casa mia lo stupro è una cosa seria..

personalmente nutrivo parecchie perplessità sullo stupro di James Deen a Stoya e sulle dichiarazioni di alcune attrici (una delle quali disse di aver perso la verginità sul set porno)

nei racconti su Weinstein non ci vedo stupro, ci vedo possibili molestie o ricatti ma non stupri, anche se non li escludo a priori visto il soggetto. ribadendo per la 100esima volta che di certo c'è solo la registrazione della Battilana.

di Weinstein (come di Berlusconi e soggetti simili) m'interessa l'erotomania compulsiva, l'incapacità di trattenersi di fronte ad una bella figa, che li fa passare sopra il rischio di cacciarsi in guai inutili. Dev'essere un impulso talmente forte da fargli perdere la lucidità e a livello psichiatrico m'incuriosisce.

[Blif]

Siamo piu o meno in 3: Geisha, io, e tu

Sono 3 anche loro.
Bellavista, HHH e Konan vs Len, Geisha e DDP
Gli uomini con la clava contro gli uomini delle tavole.
Uno scontro epico, rimarrà negli annali di SZ. E fra 10 anni qualcuno potrà dire: io c'ero!

[Souther082]

ipotizzando che il racconto sia vero vorrei capire se secondo qualcuno questo non e strupro....

" Secondo la ricostruzione la violenza sarebbe avvenuta nel 2013, quando l’attrice aveva 34 anni, mentre si trovava a Los Angeles per l’Italia Film, Fashion & Art Festival. La violenza sarebbe avvenuta in una camera d’albergo dove il produttore, al termine della serata, si è presentato senza preavviso: «Ha cominciato a farmi molte domande, ma presto è diventato molto aggressivo e ha chiesto che mi spogliassi. Ha afferrato i miei capelli e mi ha costretta a fare qualcosa che non volevo. Poi mi ha trascinato in bagno e mi ha violentato» racconta la donna.


«Mi sento responsabile per aver taciuto per anni, per non aver reagito, per non aver chiamato la polizia, mi sento responsabile per non essere stata abbastanza coraggiosa» ha rivelato al Los Angeles Times. Il quotidiano aggiunge che l’attrice è «ben nota» in Italia e sarebbe comparsa anche su una copertina di Vogue."
http://www.ilsecoloxix.it/p/mondo/2017/ ... rice.shtml

[Len801]

Non capisco perche avete tanta difficolta' a distinguere tra molestie, aggressioni e stupro.
Un compito inutile.
OK, lasciamo stare un piccolo momento Harvey Weinstein (questa settimana e' uscita una storia di molestie del suo fratello Bob, piu o meno brutto come Harvey)
e vedi la storia di Bill O'Reilly. Un vero bello giovane, un fusto senza paragoni


Nato nel 1949 (la televisione era inventata a quel tempo?). Ha lavorato per le rete di televisione CBS e ABC
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_O%27 ... mmentator)
Dal 1996 lavorava per Fox News Channel e era ospite del programma "The O'Reilly Factor".
Nel mese di aprile 2017 il New York Times pubblico un articolo in cui si rivelava che O'Reilly/Fox News avevana pagato varie accusatrici di molestie sessuali per piu' di $13 milioni.
Fu licenziato pochi giorni dopo.
Questa settimana e' stato rivelato dal New York Times che O'Reilly avrebbe pagato a gennaio 2017 la somma astronomica di $32 milioni a una accusatrice di molestie sessuali.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyl ... 68f1d7cdda
Da tutto quello che e' stato rivelato,, sembra che queste molestie erano al livello di e-mail, messaggi telefonici, conversazioni, ecc.
Insomma O'Reilly e Fox News avrebbero sborsato un sacco di milioni e senza che il povero O'Reilly avesse mai veramente fatto sesso.
Ma dico io.... Fox News non poteva economizzare meglio e fare un abbonamento quotidiano/settimanale con un agenzia di escort, per far stare tranquillo questo povero uomo che non
arrivava a scopare nessuna?

Wikipedia
On October 13, 2004, O'Reilly sued Andrea Mackris, a former producer for The O'Reilly Factor, alleging extortion. O'Reilly claimed that Mackris had threatened a lawsuit unless he paid her more than $60 million. Later the same day, Mackris sued O'Reilly for sexual harassment, seeking $60 million in damages.[109] Her complaint alleged that in phone conversations, O'Reilly had "advised her to use a vibrator and told her about sexual fantasies involving her",[110] and an allegation that he threatened that if she reported his behavior, "Roger Ailes... will go after you... Ailes operates behind the scenes, strategizes, and makes things happen so that one day BAM! The person gets what's coming to them but never sees it coming." On October 15, 2004, Fox sought judicial permission to fire Mackris, but she was never dismissed. On October 19, 2004, Mackris filed an amended complaint seeking further damages for illegal retaliatory actions by O'Reilly, Fox News, and the News Corporation-owned newspaper the New York Post.[111] On October 28, 2004, O'Reilly and Mackris reached an out-of-court settlement in which Mackris dropped her sexual-assault suit against O'Reilly, and O'Reilly dropped his extortion claim against Mackris. The terms of the agreement are confidential,[112] but in 2017 The New York Times reported that O'Reilly had agreed to pay Mackris about $9 million and that they would issue a public statement that there had been "no wrongdoing whatsoever".[113]

After Ailes was the subject of a sexual harassment lawsuit filed by former Fox News coworker Gretchen Carlson, O'Reilly said in July 2016 that Ailes was a "target" as a "famous, powerful or wealthy person" and called him the "best boss I ever had."[114] After Ailes was fired and the network settled the lawsuit with Carlson, O'Reilly declined to comment further, saying that "for once in my life, I'm going to keep my big mouth shut."[115]

Shortly after Ailes was fired, Fox News settled a sexual harassment claim against O'Reilly with former Fox host Juliet Huddy. Huddy alleged that O'Reilly pursued a romantic relationship with her, made lewd remarks, including a telephone call during which he appeared to be masturbating, and tried to have her fired when she rejected his advances. Legal fees in this case were settled and paid for by Fox News.[116] The New York Times reported the settlement to have been worth $1.6 million.[113]

In August 2016, former Fox host Andrea Tantaros filed a sexual harassment lawsuit against Fox News, claiming that O'Reilly made sexually suggestive comments to her.[117]

In April 2017, The New York Times reported that O'Reilly and Fox News had settled five lawsuits against O'Reilly dating back to 2002. Previously, only the settlements to Mackris and Huddy were publicly reported; The Times reported that Fox hosts Rebecca Diamond and Laurie Dhue settled sexual harassment lawsuits in 2011 and 2016 respectively and junior producer Rachel Witlieb Bernstein settled with Fox in 2002 after accusing O'Reilly of verbal abuse. The amount paid to the women filing the complaints was estimated at $13 million. The New York Times also reported a claim by former O'Reilly Factor guest Wendy Walsh, who declined an offer from O'Reilly to go to his hotel suite and was subsequently denied a job as a Fox News contributor.[113] Walsh appeared on The O'Reilly Factor for a few months after the hotel incident, and at one point asked producers for more airtime on the show.[118]

After Walsh's complaint, 21st Century Fox hired the law firm of Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison to conduct an investigation into at least that allegation; that firm also conducted an investigation into the allegations against Fox News chairman Roger Ailes, which led to his ouster from Fox.[119]

After the five settlements were reported, the O'Reilly Factor lost more than half its advertisers within a week;[120] almost 60 companies withdrew their television advertising from the show[121] amid a growing backlash against O'Reilly.[122][123] On April 11, 2017, O'Reilly announced he would take a two-week vacation and would return to the program on April 24; he normally takes a vacation around Easter.[124] On April 19, 2017, Fox News announced that O'Reilly would not be returning to the network.[125][126] The program was subsequently renamed The Factor on April 19.[127]

[Drogato_ di_porno]

sì anche Giovanna rei parlava di aggressione fisica

Nello sconforto ho pregato che non mi accadesse nulla ed invece lui è ritornato nudo davanti a me (una visione orribile) con in mano una crema per il corpo, chiedendomi gentilmente un massaggio. Io mi sono dolcemente rifiutata, all'inizio è stato calmo, continuava a dirmi please please non voglio fare sesso, voglio solo rilassarmi con un massaggio... io terrorizzata continuavo a dire no, non ne sono capace, finché mi ha afferrata per un braccio strattonandomi verso la camera da letto!!!

però su dichiarazioni rese ai giornali (e non alla polizia) ad anni di distanza mantengo il beneficio del dubbio.

notare che la Rei dice che la visione del corpo nudo di Weinstein fu qualcosa di orribile...madonna doveva essere come il mostro dei Goonies

che poi è sposato con una bella donna (Georgina Chapman) che ora lo ha scaricato...si vede che lei non gli bastava, voleva tutte le fighe dell'universo

[Drogato_ di_porno]

Il prossimo scandalo sessuale riguarderà Sloth

[dostum]

Finalmente una iniziativa per il progresso!
http://www.lastampa.it/2017/10/21/ester ... agina.html

[Souther082]

no perche sembra che ci si dimentichi che weinstein in teoria viene accusato di molestie, aggressioni e stupro...
sempre ipotizzando che sia vero, E questo che cos'è? ....


Lucia Evans

2004, ufficio della Miramax a New York, durante quello che doveva essere un incontro di lavoro. Innanzitutto Weinstein le spiegò che avrebbe potuto lavorare per lui soltanto se fosse dimagrita. Poi le parlò di due copioni. E alla fine la assalì, obbligandola a praticargli una fellatio. «Tirò fuori il pene e iniziò a spingere la mia testa in quella direzione. Lo pregai di smettere ma alla fine dovetti farlo: era grande e grosso e io non avevo le forze per divincolarmi dalla sua presa».

[bellavista]

ipotizzando che il racconto sia vero vorrei capire se secondo qualcuno questo non e strupro....

" Secondo la ricostruzione la violenza sarebbe avvenuta nel 2013, quando l’attrice aveva 34 anni, mentre si trovava a Los Angeles per l’Italia Film, Fashion & Art Festival. La violenza sarebbe avvenuta in una camera d’albergo dove il produttore, al termine della serata, si è presentato senza preavviso: «Ha cominciato a farmi molte domande, ma presto è diventato molto aggressivo e ha chiesto che mi spogliassi. Ha afferrato i miei capelli e mi ha costretta a fare qualcosa che non volevo. Poi mi ha trascinato in bagno e mi ha violentato» racconta la donna.


«Mi sento responsabile per aver taciuto per anni, per non aver reagito, per non aver chiamato la polizia, mi sento responsabile per non essere stata abbastanza coraggiosa» ha rivelato al Los Angeles Times. Il quotidiano aggiunge che l’attrice è «ben nota» in Italia e sarebbe comparsa anche su una copertina di Vogue."
http://www.ilsecoloxix.it/p/mondo/2017/ ... rice.shtml

Vabbè, grazie al cazzo una situazione dove: “mi ha trascinata in bagno e mi ha violentato” è stupro.

il problema piccolo problema è che se denunci cose dopo 20 anni, quando non è possibile avere nessun riscontro puoi potenzialmente inventarti qualunque cosa.

io per esempio sono andato spesso al festival di cannes, dove c’era anche w. ora diciamo che io vi raccontassi che 15 anni fa eravamo nella sua stanza, mi ha detto di spogliarmi e poi mi ha stuprato. ma ho trovaro il coraggio di raccontarlo solo ora.
però dato che negli usa sono molto prodoghi con i risarcimenti danni e il buon w. sicuramente dovrà pagarne, intanto mi metto in lista sia mai che un paio di milioni mi arrivano, e male che vada mi sono fatto un po’ di pubblicità.

e se non credete alla mia storia è perchè siete dei porci, maschilisti e omofobi

[Len801]

no perche sembra che ci si dimentichi che weinstein in teoria viene accusato di molestie, aggressioni e stupro...
sempre ipotizzando che sia vero, E questo che cos'è? ....


Lucia Evans

2004, ufficio della Miramax a New York, durante quello che doveva essere un incontro di lavoro. Innanzitutto Weinstein le spiegò che avrebbe potuto lavorare per lui soltanto se fosse dimagrita. Poi le parlò di due copioni. E alla fine la assalì, obbligandola a praticargli una fellatio. «Tirò fuori il pene e iniziò a spingere la mia testa in quella direzione. Lo pregai di smettere ma alla fine dovetti farlo: era grande e grosso e io non avevo le forze per divincolarmi dalla sua presa».

https://www.justice.gov/ovw/sexual-assault
What is Sexual Assault?
Sexual assault is any type of sexual contact or behavior that occurs without the explicit consent of the recipient. Falling under the definition of sexual assault are sexual activities as forced sexual intercourse, forcible sodomy, child molestation, incest, fondling, and attempted rape.


https://definitions.uslegal.com/s/sexual-assault/
Sexual assault refers to an assault of a sexual nature on another person. It can include a wide range of unwanted sexual contact such as rape, forced vaginal, anal or oral penetration, forced sexual intercourse, inappropriate touching, forced kissing, child molestation ,exhibitionism, voyeurism, obscene phone calls torture of a victim in a sexual manner etc. The actor causes submission of the victim by means that is reasonably calculated to cause submission against the victim's will. Definitions of offences are primarily governed by state criminal laws, which vary by state. It is generally a felony.

Example of a state statute on Sexual Assault

C.R.S. 18-3-402. Sexual assault

(1) Any actor who knowingly inflicts sexual intrusion or sexual penetration on a victim commits sexual assault if:

(a) The actor causes submission of the victim by means of sufficient consequence reasonably calculated to cause submission against the victim's will; or

(b) The actor knows that the victim is incapable of appraising the nature of the victim's conduct; or

(c) The actor knows that the victim submits erroneously, believing the actor to be the victim's spouse; or

(d) At the time of the commission of the act, the victim is less than fifteen years of age and the actor is at least four years older than the victim and is not the spouse of the victim; or

(e) At the time of the commission of the act, the victim is at least fifteen years of age but less than seventeen years of age and the actor is at least ten years older than the victim and is not the spouse of the victim; or

(f) The victim is in custody of law or detained in a hospital or other institution and the actor has supervisory or disciplinary authority over the victim and uses this position of authority to coerce the victim to submit, unless the act is incident to a lawful search; or

(g) The actor, while purporting to offer a medical service, engages in treatment or examination of a victim for other than a bona fide medical purpose or in a manner substantially inconsistent with reasonable medical practices; or

(h) The victim is physically helpless and the actor knows the victim is physically helpless and the victim has not consented.

(2) Sexual assault is a class 4 felony, except as provided in subsections (3), (3.5), (4), and (5) of this section.

(3) If committed under the circumstances of paragraph (e) of subsection (1) of this section, sexual assault is a class 1 misdemeanor and is an extraordinary risk crime that is subject to the modified sentencing range specified in section 18-1.3-501 (3).

(3.5) Sexual assault is a class 3 felony if committed under the circumstances described in paragraph (h) of subsection (1) of this section.

(4) Sexual assault is a class 3 felony if it is attended by any one or more of the following circumstances:

(a) The actor causes submission of the victim through the actual application of physical force or physical violence; or

(b) The actor causes submission of the victim by threat of imminent death, serious bodily injury, extreme pain, or kidnapping, to be inflicted on anyone, and the victim believes that the actor has the present ability to execute these threats; or

(c) The actor causes submission of the victim by threatening to retaliate in the future against the victim, or any other person, and the victim reasonably believes that the actor will execute this threat. As used in this paragraph (c), "to retaliate" includes threats of kidnapping, death, serious bodily injury, or extreme pain; or

(d) The actor has substantially impaired the victim's power to appraise or control the victim's conduct by employing, without the victim's consent, any drug, intoxicant, or other means for the purpose of causing submission.

(e) (Deleted by amendment, L. 2002, p. 1578, § 2, effective July 1, 2002.)

(5) (a) Sexual assault is a class 2 felony if any one or more of the following circumstances exist:

(I) In the commission of the sexual assault, the actor is physically aided or abetted by one or more other persons; or

(II) The victim suffers serious bodily injury; or

(III) The actor is armed with a deadly weapon or an article used or fashioned in a manner to cause a person to reasonably believe that the article is a deadly weapon or represents verbally or otherwise that the actor is armed with a deadly weapon and uses the deadly weapon, article, or representation to cause submission of the victim.

[Len801]

Sexual Harassment (molestie sessuali)
Sexual Harassment Law and Legal Definition
https://definitions.uslegal.com/s/sexual-harassment/
Sexual harassment occurs when a person is subject to unwelcome sexual advances, requests for sexual favors, or other verbal or physical conduct of a sexual nature to such an extent that it alters the conditions of the person's employment and creates an abusive working environment. Sexual harassment may include touching, feeling, groping and/or repeated unpleasant, degrading and/or sexist remarks directed toward an employee, implying that employment status, promotion or favorable treatment depends upon the employee's assent. Pornography displayed in the workplace or emailed to coworkers may also constitute sexual harassment.

What exactly constitutes such an environment is determined on a case-by-case basis. Sexual harassment is a private nuisance, unfair labor practice or, in some states, a civil wrong (tort) which may be the basis for a lawsuit against the individual who made the advances and against the employer who did not take steps to halt the harassment. The employer must have notice of the harassment and failed to take action against it in order to be held liable.

Sexual Harassment

Sexual harassment is a term used to describe actions that make use of sexual comments or acts in order to intimidate those with whom one works. Sexual harassment is illegal. Sexual harassment is a form of sex discrimination, it is a violation of Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Title VII applies to all employers with 15 or more employees. Many actions can be legally shown to be either sexual harassment or to contribute to a hostile or offensive work environment. The Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) defines sexual harassment as follows: "Unwelcome sexual advances, requests for sexual favors, and other verbal or physical contact of a sexual nature constitute sexual harassment when: 1) Submission to such conduct is made either explicitly or implicitly a term or condition of an individual's employment. 2) Submission to or rejection of such conduct by an individual is used as the basis for employment decisions affecting such individuals. 3) Such conduct has the purpose or effect of unreasonably interfering with an individual's work performance or creating an intimidating, hostile, or offensive working environment." But legal experts warn managers and business owners that definitions of sexual harassment extend beyond these boundaries. Although most people think that sexual harassment involves conduct of a sexual nature, based on a study of case law, this is not true. Sexual harassment includes acts that are not overtly sexual but rather are directed at individuals based on their gender. Therefore, profanity or rude behavior that is gender-specific may create a work environment that legally supports claims of sexual harassment.

Some observers believe that small businesses are particularly susceptible to sexual harassment problems. This is because small businesses often have an informal office atmosphere that may seem to allow sexual banter and innuendo. Small businesses are also less likely to have an official sexual harassment policy and training program than are larger firms. Savvy small business owners adopt proactive stances to make certain that their employees know that inappropriate behavior—whether it takes the form of displaying sexually explicit photographs, using offensive language, making suggestive or otherwise inappropriate comments, badgering an employee for dates or other interactions outside the workplace, or suggesting that one gender is inferior to another—will not be tolerated in their company. Indeed, firms that do not do so leave themselves open to financial loss via lawsuits as well as other problems like low morale, employee turnover, and absenteeism. These negative side effects can ultimately impact on financial performance. As EEOC guidelines state, "with respect to conduct between fellow employees, an employer is responsible for acts of sexual harassment in the workplace where the employer (or its agents or supervisory employees) knows or should have known of the conduct, unless it can show that it took immediate and appropriate corrective action."

HARASSMENT AND EMPLOYEE RIGHTS
Over the past several years, sexual harassment has become a subject of considerable discussion. Previous generations of business owners and managers rarely had to address the issue. Business historians and social observers point to several possible factors for this. Some note that women used to comprise a much smaller component of the workforce, and that various societal pressures may have made them less likely to come forward with complaints. Others point out that many of the legal protections that are now in place against harassment have only developed over the last 25 to 35 years. Still other observers contend that the rise in sexual harassment claims simply reflects a general decline in civility in American society. Whatever the reasons, sexual harassment complaints have risen throughout the 1990s and remained fairly steady throughout the first five years of the 2000s. The Equal Employment Opportunity Commission is the governing body that is authorized to administer laws prohibiting sexual harassment. Charges of harassment are filed with the EEOC. The EEOC reported that it received 12,679 charges of sexual harassment in fiscal year 2005, of which 14.3 percent were filed by men. The EEOC resolved 12,859 sexual harassment charges in FY 2005 (some charges take longer than a year to resolve and thus the number of charges filed in a single year may be lower than the number of resolutions) and recovered $47.9 million in monetary benefits for charging parties and other aggrieved individuals. This figures does not including monetary benefits obtained through litigation. To these totals, it should be understood that many charges of sexual harassment are resolved quietly, some at substantial cost, before they ever reach the point at which the charge is officially made with the EEOC. Clearly, the potential for losses, both financial and in terms of reputation, as a result of sexual harassment are great and it is a subject that should be dealt with in a very visible and up-front manner within companies of all sizes.

But small business owners and corporate executives alike need to make sure that in their zeal to protect the legitimate rights of employees not to be harassed in the workplace, they do not trample on the rights of those accused of misbehavior. Just because sexual harassment is a significant social and business problem does not mean it has in fact occurred in a particular instance. Indeed, an employee who is punished or dismissed on the basis of a frivolous sexual harassment claim has the same recourse to the law as the victim of sexual harassment who is left unprotected by indifferent managers/owners. Business owners and managers thus need to consider the rights of all parties involved when investigating sexual harassment complaints.

[Souther082]

ipotizzando che il racconto sia vero vorrei capire se secondo qualcuno questo non e strupro....

" Secondo la ricostruzione la violenza sarebbe avvenuta nel 2013, quando l’attrice aveva 34 anni, mentre si trovava a Los Angeles per l’Italia Film, Fashion & Art Festival. La violenza sarebbe avvenuta in una camera d’albergo dove il produttore, al termine della serata, si è presentato senza preavviso: «Ha cominciato a farmi molte domande, ma presto è diventato molto aggressivo e ha chiesto che mi spogliassi. Ha afferrato i miei capelli e mi ha costretta a fare qualcosa che non volevo. Poi mi ha trascinato in bagno e mi ha violentato» racconta la donna.


«Mi sento responsabile per aver taciuto per anni, per non aver reagito, per non aver chiamato la polizia, mi sento responsabile per non essere stata abbastanza coraggiosa» ha rivelato al Los Angeles Times. Il quotidiano aggiunge che l’attrice è «ben nota» in Italia e sarebbe comparsa anche su una copertina di Vogue."
http://www.ilsecoloxix.it/p/mondo/2017/ ... rice.shtml

Vabbè, grazie al cazzo una situazione dove: “mi ha trascinata in bagno e mi ha violentato” è stupro.

il problema piccolo problema è che se denunci cose dopo 20 anni, quando non è possibile avere nessun riscontro puoi potenzialmente inventarti qualunque cosa.

io per esempio sono andato spesso al festival di cannes, dove c’era anche w. ora diciamo che io vi raccontassi che 15 anni fa eravamo nella sua stanza, mi ha detto di spogliarmi e poi mi ha stuprato. ma ho trovaro il coraggio di raccontarlo solo ora.
però dato che negli usa sono molto prodoghi con i risarcimenti danni e il buon w. sicuramente dovrà pagarne, intanto mi metto in lista sia mai che un paio di milioni mi arrivano, e male che vada mi sono fatto un po’ di pubblicità.

e se non credete alla mia storia è perchè siete dei porci, maschilisti e omofobi

lo postato perche konon si indignava che i media quando parlano di weinstein,tra le varie accuse parlano anche di stupro..

anche se come ne avevo parlato precedentemente anche ha me da fastidio quando ha ogni stronzata si grida sopratutto allo stupro ma
anche alla molestia..
ma secondo me non e questo il caso...

poi ovviamente nessuno sa la verita ed ognuno si fa la propria opinione...

[dostum]

[Souther082]

Ahhh però!!!