len801 ha scritto:
Il film di Stallone che fece all'inizio era soft. E la sua interpretazione era soft. E da anni che se ne parla di questo film. Non c'e proprio niente...
Nella versione che ho su qualche HD, ti assicuro che la sua interpretazione è assolutamente hard, e c'è proprio tutto, esplicitamente.
Se a qualcuno potesse interessare posso mettermi a cercarlo e postare qualche frame.
Lz
Promessa mantenuta (anche se non interessa a nessuno...):
Sono scettico Lord Zork, a parte che il film in questione non era stato girato "hard" all'inizio, questo film e' stato commercializzato su video soltanto quando Stallone era diventato abbastanza famoso. In piu' il maschio che si vede nei scan, non si vede completamente.
E come nei vecchi tempi quando si annunciava la notizia che una certa attrice faceva una scena anal (penso a Samantha Strong e altre) in un film. Ti insospettivi quando l'attrice non si vedeva completamente nella scena, vedevi il viso, vedivi il culo, ma non completamente.
Sono convinto che Stallone non ha girato qualla scena hard. Se hai migliore prove, posta pure....
Se vuo vedere il zinzin di Stallone (con nessuno trucco) procurati una copia della rivista Ciak, settembre 1993. Foto che sono scattate durante la produzione di DEMOLITION MAN.
len801 ha scritto:Se vuo vedere il zinzin di Stallone (con nessuno trucco) procurati una copia della rivista Ciak, settembre 1993. Foto che sono scattate durante la produzione di DEMOLITION MAN.
ecco proprio il film di cui parlavo prima..................
len801 ha scritto:Sono convinto che Stallone non ha girato qualla scena hard. Se hai migliore prove, posta pure....
Scusa, Len, leggo solo ORA questo tuo messaggio.
Uno di questi giorni ci dó un'occhiata e se trovo qualcosa che possa confermare lo posto, altrimenti, ancora una volta, avrai ragione tu!
Non ho tutti i dettagli come questo film e' stato commercializzato.
In tutti i modi THE PARTY AT KITTY AND STUD'S fu girato verso il 1970 se non prima. I film verodetti di hard-core (con trama) non ancora esistevano negli Stati Uniti a quel tempo. C'erano in quei tempi dei pseudo-documentari (SEXUAL FREEDOM IN DENMARK, CENSORSHIP IN DENMARK, ecc) e "loops".
Da quello chge ho potuto determinare e' che il film resto' per molto tempo sui scaffali. Stallone ebbe dei piccoli ruoli nei film come BANANAS (1971) di Woody Allen e KLUTE (1971) di Alan J. Pakula. Stallone ebbe dei ruoli piu sostansiozi nel LORDS OF FLATBUSH (1973) che usci nel maggio del 1974 e DEATH RACE 2000 (1975) di Paul Bartel.
I produttori di PARTY AT KITTY. .., visto il successo di Stallone spolverarono questo vecchio film e lo distribuirono sotto il titolo ITALIAN STALLION. Credo che aggiungesero delle scene di nudo e "inserts" hard per renderlo piu' piccante (e puo' darsi anche Stallone nudo, ma non hardcore).
Ho trovato un vecchiop post sul newsgroup RAME su questo soggetto che ti potrebbe interessare. In tutti modi c'e molto dubbio se il film era hard-core nell'inizio. Ma e' ovvio che le scene che esistono oggi nella (nelle versioni ) estitenti in DVD sono soft (con inserts hard).
26.5 Sylvester Stallone?
All sources confirm that Stallone appeared in a film
called "Party at Kitty & Stud's." The sources disagree
over whether the film was actually hardcore or not. Of
course, Stallone isn't talking. Here are three points of
view... you'll have to decide for yourself. This one is
just too "gray."
An article describing the history of this urban legend
can be found at the alt.folklore.urban archive at http://www.urbanlegends.com . There is a far more
comprehensive at the Adult Movie FAQ site:
Marvin1...@aol.com offered this nugget to the FAQ...
I would argue with [anyone] who claims that Stallone's "A
Party at Kitty and Stud's" was originally a hardcore
film.
First of all, it is very typical of the kind of film that
was being made for theatrical release in those days
before the hardcore explosion--lots of humping and
huffing and puffing, but no erections and no insertions.
Hundreds of such films were made at that time. Also,
getting back to my comments above, it is beyond all
rational belief that someone possessing a genuine
hardcore film of a major star like Stallone would snip
out the hardcore stuff and release the rest!
And here's a little more on the subject from Gordon
(g...@netcom.com), just to make it a little grayer still....
The 'Italian Stallion' version of this film, as I saw it
shown in an X-rated theater in the late 1970's, had a
prologue by Gail Palmer. It was a simple narration,
filmed with Palmer sitting in a seat in an empty movie
theater. This prologue was also used separately as a
'Coming Attractions' trailer.
Palmer did seem to imply that there were a lot of things
edited out. I remember, though, that when I saw the
movie, I wondered if that were really true. It seemed
more likely to me that it was a sort of venal attempt to
take advantage of the success of 'Rocky' (released in
1976; 'Rocky II' in 1979) by taking an old softcore film
that happened to have Stallone in it, and speciously
trumping it up as a hardcore flick with the (perhaps
non-existent anyway) explicit sex "edited out".
I recently rented a video of 'The Italian Stallion', and
this narration was not present.
However, I did notice a promotional advertisement at the
beginning of two "Gail Palmer" videos that I recently
rented, 'California Gigolo' and 'The Best of Gail Palmer'
(I say "Gail Palmer" with quotation marks because Peter
v. A. states that Palmer may not have actually directed
these films). The ad is an animation sequence consisting
of the box covers of Palmer films assembling themselves
into rows on the screen. One of the boxes is 'The
Italian Stallion', and it has the same title art as the
Stallone film.
Given that Palmer worked with/for the Mitchell Bros. in
San Francisco during the late 70's, it seems possible
that they're 'Stallion Enterprises'. They may have used
that name as a dodge to give Stallone's lawyers a moving
target.
One other interesting note on this film. When I rented
'The Italian Stallion', the video store clerk mentioned
to me that in the mid-80's he'd gotten a letter from a
law firm in New York, offering to buy his copies of the
film, and asking him to name a price. His guess was that
Stallone was trying to remove as many copies of the film
from the market as possible.
And finally, from one of the legends of the alt.folklore.urban
newsgroup, Peter van Linden:
From: lin...@positive.Eng.Sun.COM (Peter van der Linden)
Subject: AFU Party at Kitty & Stallone's
[As I mentioned in March 1992]
Sylvester Stallone did indeed get his first movie acting
role in a porn movie, called "Party at Kitty and Stud's".
This movie came out in 1970, when Sly was but 24 years
old, living in Hell's Kitchen, New York City, and working
a variety of menial jobs (including cinema usher) while
trying to break into the movies. At that time (and still
to a lesser extent) New York City was the hub of US porn
film making. Stallone is the leading man in this X film,
and he later acknowledged in a Playboy interview that he
was paid $200 for his role. Unlike his later films,
Stallone seems to have had no part in directing or
producing "Party at Kitty and Stud's".
Stallone made the most of his break, quickly entering
mainstream movies with a role in Woody Allen's "Bananas"
the next year. He appeared in six more films before
"Rocky" in 1976, which shot him right to the top. The
canny Sicilian wrote the script for "Rocky", and sold it
for a very low price, on condition that he star in the
movie and receive a share of the profits. "Rocky" went on
to win 3 Oscars, including best picture. It made
Stallone's movie career.
Whoever owned the rights to "Party at Kitty and Stud's"
capitalized on Stallone's new-found fame by re-releasing
it under the title "The Italian Stallion" (presumably a
reference to the protagonist's nickname in Rocky). The
credits show that the rights to this X film are owned by
"Stallion Enterprises", so they took this theme all the
way.
"Party at Kitty and Stud's/The Italian Stallion" started
life as a genuine pornographic X film, though it has been
brutally edited down -- probably at the time it was
retitled and re-released. There is a new prologue where
it is implied that they took out the really fun dirty
bits for the re-release. It now completely lacks any
semblance of a plot, and all hard-core exhibitions, so is
somewhat hard to follow. For example, a large mastiff dog
appears at one point, but disappears equally as rapidly,
leaving the viewer confused about what was to happen
next. "Party" seems hilariously dated in some ways too,
as it is rife with 60's slang.
At one point Kitty confides to one of her friends that
Stud is "so far out" and "animalistic". At another point
Sly enjoins Kitty to "be careful! You bit me last time."
Kitty replies "I'll be velvet-mouthed on your shank of
love!" before dissolving into an unscripted fit of
giggles only partially concealed by burying her head on
Stallone's shank of love. Stallone's best scenes are the
ones where he is naked (which is nearly all of them). The
highpoint of the film is probably where Stallone assists
three women one after the other, although all the overt
details are edited out, leaving just the moaning and
groaning.
Sly-connoisseurs will note that he has a 4 inch scar on
his left thigh under his butt. Far from being a stallion,
Sly is actually a man of modest endowment. His muscular
frame, lacking its customary coat of oil, looks
remarkably unimpressive. Some people claim to see
undertones of "Rocky" in "Party", but I couldn't detect
any myself, unless they mean the scene where Sly lightly
beats Kitty with his pants belt. Sly lacks his trademark
sneer, and talks normally in "Party".
It is not unknown for a porn movie performer to cross
over into mainstream cinema. I believe Traci Lords has
now renounced her porn film past, and can be seen in
minor roles on TV e.g. as a dental assistant on "Married
With Children".
The video is available for rental from The Video Scene,
1401 Foxworthy Ave, San Jose, California (tel 408 265-
4002).
You can also find it at Videoscope, El Camino Real, Palo
Alto, CA. I can't honestly recommend it, but it has a
certain novelty value. Perhaps it is best appreciated
when played in a (heh!) double-header with "Rocky".
E' in Danimarca che fu abolita la censura in tutte le cose sessuali alla fine degli anni 60.
Ci fu una fiera a cui de Renzy si reco' e giro' un documentario PORNOGRAPHY IN DENMARK, che fu distribuito dalla leggendaria Sherpix dal mese di aprile 1970. Questo titolo gli procuro' dei problemi perche' i giornali a quel tempo non vollero accettare inserimenti di pubblicita' con un titolo che faceva riferimento diretto a cose pornografiche. De Renzy fu obbligato a cambiare il nome a CENSORSHIP IN DENAMRK: A NEW APPROACH.
Un'altro regista John Lamb riusci prima di de Renzy a distribuire SEXUAL FREEDOM IN DENMARK nell'inizio del 1970 (marzo?) che mostrava come la societa' danese si aveva adattata con l'abolizione della censura.
un'altra volta ha ragione il grande Len... la ricostruzione storica di questi fatti si trova anche nel libro di Adamo, Il Porno di massa.
You are what you is (Frank Zappa)
"Cosa c'entra il Papa con l'apertura dell'anno accademico? E' come se a un concistoro si decidesse di invitare Belladonna" (Sacre Scuole)
"Che ci posso fare? Le banalità non mi emozionano" (Breglia)
