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la Germania e l'Austria, fino a qualche anno fà (leggi Kappler, ricordi? la sua fuga nella "valigia"?), i nazisti li trattava piuttosto bene anche se non ufficialmente.Ortheus ha scritto:Spero solo che sia giudicati in Germania, come i Nazisti.
Qui in ItaGlia se la caveranno con poco più di un buffetto sulla guancia
Altrochè, "armadio della vergogna" !
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Riporto dal giornale "La Stampa" di Torino di stamattina.
L' azienda versa 30.000 € ai familiari delle vittime e assicura che "non verranno lasciati soli" e che questo non è che il primo sostegno a loro.
Nel frattempo la sottoscrzione aperta dal giornale ha raccolto in sole 24 ore 100.000 € a favore delle famiglie.
Certo non è "consolante" per chi ha perso un congiunto ma è pur sempre un inizio... sperem.
Il triste è la quasi certezza che se la vicenda non avesse avuto tutta questa eco non so se sarebbe andata così...
L' azienda versa 30.000 € ai familiari delle vittime e assicura che "non verranno lasciati soli" e che questo non è che il primo sostegno a loro.
Nel frattempo la sottoscrzione aperta dal giornale ha raccolto in sole 24 ore 100.000 € a favore delle famiglie.
Certo non è "consolante" per chi ha perso un congiunto ma è pur sempre un inizio... sperem.
Il triste è la quasi certezza che se la vicenda non avesse avuto tutta questa eco non so se sarebbe andata così...
Lupo Ululì... castello ululà ... Lupus Ejacula... n'do capita de trombà !
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mah...
se ne fottono dell'immagine..
se poi producono non beni che cdompri al mercato (anche se non credo ai boicottaggi) ancora meno
Union Carbide and Union Carbide India Limited enter into a $470 million legal settlement with the Government of India, which represented all claimants in the Bhopal gas tragedy case. The settlement is affirmed by the Supreme Court of India, which describes it as "just, equitable and reasonable," and settles all claims arising out of the incident.
forse 20mila morti..
paghi.
e sei sempre li
se ne fottono dell'immagine..
se poi producono non beni che cdompri al mercato (anche se non credo ai boicottaggi) ancora meno
Union Carbide and Union Carbide India Limited enter into a $470 million legal settlement with the Government of India, which represented all claimants in the Bhopal gas tragedy case. The settlement is affirmed by the Supreme Court of India, which describes it as "just, equitable and reasonable," and settles all claims arising out of the incident.
forse 20mila morti..
paghi.
e sei sempre li
E' la vecchia guardia e i suoi interventi sul darkside sono imprescindibili, affronta il lato oscuro del sesso estremo con l'approccio dostojeschiano dell'uomo che soffre, mitizza e somatizza.UN DEMONE
Now I lay me down to sleep,Pray the lord my soul to keep.And if I die before I wake pray the lord my soul to take.
Now I lay me down to sleep,Pray the lord my soul to keep.And if I die before I wake pray the lord my soul to take.
e gira gira..la storia mica e' tanto diversa
[edit]Cost-cutting measures
A long-term cause of the catastrophe was the location of the plant; authorities had tried and failed to persuade Carbide to build the plant away from densely-populated areas. Carbide explained their refusal on the expense that such a move would incur.[4]
Union Carbide previously produced their pesticide, Sevin (the commercial name of carbaryl), without MIC but, after 1979, began using MIC because it was cheaper[citation needed]. Other manufacturers, such as Bayer, made Sevin without MIC, although this caused greater expenses.[4]
In the early 1980s, the demand for pesticides had fallen: the factory was operating at a loss and overproducing MIC that was not being sold, leading to a series of cost-cutting measures from around 1982 onwards. These measures affected the two interrelated areas of workers and their conditions, and the equipment and safety regulations installed at the plant.[4]
[edit]Work conditions
Attempts to reduce expenses affected the factory's employees and their conditions:
Kurzman argues that "cuts... meant less stringent quality control and thus looser safety rules. A pipe leaked? Don't replace it, employees said they were told... MIC workers needed more training? They could do with less. Promotions were halted, seriously affecting employee morale and driving some of the most skilled... elsewhere".[5]
Workers were forced to use English manuals, despite the fact that only a few had a grasp of the language.[6]
By 1984, only six of the original twelve operators were still working with MIC and the number of supervisory personnel was also cut in half. No maintenance supervisor was placed on the night shift and instrument readings were taken every two hours, rather than the previous and required one-hour readings.[5]
Workers made complaints about the cuts through their union but were ignored. One employee was fired after going on a 15-day hunger strike. 70% of the plant's employees were fined before the disaster for refusing to deviate from the proper safety regulations under pressure from management.[5]
In addition, some observers, such as those writing in the Trade Environmental Database (TED) Case Studies as part of the Mandala Project from American University, have pointed to "serious communication problems and management gaps between Union Carbide and its Indian operation", characterised by "the parent companies [sic] hands-off approach to its overseas operation" and "cross-cultural barriers".[7]
[edit]Equipment and safety regulations
Cost-cutting initiatives affected the quality of equipment and the effectiveness of safety regulations:
It emerged in 1999, during civil action suits in India, that, unlike Union Carbide plants in the USA, its Indian subsidiary plants were not prepared for problems. No action plans had been established to cope with incidents of this magnitude. This included not informing local authorities of the quantities or dangers of chemicals used and manufactured at Bhopal.[4]
The MIC tank's alarms had not worked for 4 years.[8]
There was only one manual back-up system, not the four-stage system used in the USA.[8]
The flare tower and the vent gas scrubber had been out of service for 5 months before the disaster. The gas scrubber therefore did not attempt to clean escaping gases with sodium hydroxide (caustic soda), which may have brought the concentration down to a safe level.[8] Even if the scrubber had been working, according to Weir, investigations in the aftermath of the disaster discovered that the maximum pressure it could handle was only one-quarter of that which was present in the accident. Furthermore, the flare tower itself was improperly designed and could only hold one-quarter of the volume of gas that was leaked in 1984.[9]
To reduce energy costs, the refrigeration system, designed to inhibit the volatilization of MIC, had been left idle - the MIC was kept at 20 degrees Celsius, not the 4.5 degrees advised by the manual, and some of the coolant was being used elsewhere.[8]
The steam boiler, intended to clean the pipes, was out of action for unknown reasons.[8]
Slip-blind plates that would have prevented water from pipes being cleaned from leaking into the MIC tanks via faulty valves were not installed. Their installation had been omitted from the cleaning checklist.
Water sprays designed to "knock down" gas leaks were poorly designed - set to 13 metres and below, they could not spray high enough to reduce the concentration of escaping gas.[8]
The MIC tank had been malfunctioning for roughly a week. Other tanks had been used for that week, rather than repairing the broken one, which was left to "stew". The build-up in temperature and pressure is believed to have affected the explosion and its intensity.[8]
Carbon-steel valves were used at the factory, despite the fact that they corrode when exposed to acid.[4] On the night of the disaster, a leaking carbon-steel valve was found, allowing water to enter the MIC tanks. The pipe was not repaired because it was believed it would take too much time and be too expensive.[8]
According to Lepowski, "virtually every relevant safety instrument" was "either in short supply, malfunctioning or designed improperly", and "internal documents show that the company knew this prior to the disaster, but did nothing about it".[8]
Themistocles D'Silva contends in The Black Box of Bhopal that the design of the MIC plant, following government guidelines, was "Indianized" by UCIL engineers to maximize the use of indigenous materials and products. It also dispensed with the use of sophisticated instrumentation as not appropriate for the Indian plant. Because of the unavailability of electronic parts in India, the Indian engineers preferred pneumatic instrumentatio
[edit]Cost-cutting measures
A long-term cause of the catastrophe was the location of the plant; authorities had tried and failed to persuade Carbide to build the plant away from densely-populated areas. Carbide explained their refusal on the expense that such a move would incur.[4]
Union Carbide previously produced their pesticide, Sevin (the commercial name of carbaryl), without MIC but, after 1979, began using MIC because it was cheaper[citation needed]. Other manufacturers, such as Bayer, made Sevin without MIC, although this caused greater expenses.[4]
In the early 1980s, the demand for pesticides had fallen: the factory was operating at a loss and overproducing MIC that was not being sold, leading to a series of cost-cutting measures from around 1982 onwards. These measures affected the two interrelated areas of workers and their conditions, and the equipment and safety regulations installed at the plant.[4]
[edit]Work conditions
Attempts to reduce expenses affected the factory's employees and their conditions:
Kurzman argues that "cuts... meant less stringent quality control and thus looser safety rules. A pipe leaked? Don't replace it, employees said they were told... MIC workers needed more training? They could do with less. Promotions were halted, seriously affecting employee morale and driving some of the most skilled... elsewhere".[5]
Workers were forced to use English manuals, despite the fact that only a few had a grasp of the language.[6]
By 1984, only six of the original twelve operators were still working with MIC and the number of supervisory personnel was also cut in half. No maintenance supervisor was placed on the night shift and instrument readings were taken every two hours, rather than the previous and required one-hour readings.[5]
Workers made complaints about the cuts through their union but were ignored. One employee was fired after going on a 15-day hunger strike. 70% of the plant's employees were fined before the disaster for refusing to deviate from the proper safety regulations under pressure from management.[5]
In addition, some observers, such as those writing in the Trade Environmental Database (TED) Case Studies as part of the Mandala Project from American University, have pointed to "serious communication problems and management gaps between Union Carbide and its Indian operation", characterised by "the parent companies [sic] hands-off approach to its overseas operation" and "cross-cultural barriers".[7]
[edit]Equipment and safety regulations
Cost-cutting initiatives affected the quality of equipment and the effectiveness of safety regulations:
It emerged in 1999, during civil action suits in India, that, unlike Union Carbide plants in the USA, its Indian subsidiary plants were not prepared for problems. No action plans had been established to cope with incidents of this magnitude. This included not informing local authorities of the quantities or dangers of chemicals used and manufactured at Bhopal.[4]
The MIC tank's alarms had not worked for 4 years.[8]
There was only one manual back-up system, not the four-stage system used in the USA.[8]
The flare tower and the vent gas scrubber had been out of service for 5 months before the disaster. The gas scrubber therefore did not attempt to clean escaping gases with sodium hydroxide (caustic soda), which may have brought the concentration down to a safe level.[8] Even if the scrubber had been working, according to Weir, investigations in the aftermath of the disaster discovered that the maximum pressure it could handle was only one-quarter of that which was present in the accident. Furthermore, the flare tower itself was improperly designed and could only hold one-quarter of the volume of gas that was leaked in 1984.[9]
To reduce energy costs, the refrigeration system, designed to inhibit the volatilization of MIC, had been left idle - the MIC was kept at 20 degrees Celsius, not the 4.5 degrees advised by the manual, and some of the coolant was being used elsewhere.[8]
The steam boiler, intended to clean the pipes, was out of action for unknown reasons.[8]
Slip-blind plates that would have prevented water from pipes being cleaned from leaking into the MIC tanks via faulty valves were not installed. Their installation had been omitted from the cleaning checklist.
Water sprays designed to "knock down" gas leaks were poorly designed - set to 13 metres and below, they could not spray high enough to reduce the concentration of escaping gas.[8]
The MIC tank had been malfunctioning for roughly a week. Other tanks had been used for that week, rather than repairing the broken one, which was left to "stew". The build-up in temperature and pressure is believed to have affected the explosion and its intensity.[8]
Carbon-steel valves were used at the factory, despite the fact that they corrode when exposed to acid.[4] On the night of the disaster, a leaking carbon-steel valve was found, allowing water to enter the MIC tanks. The pipe was not repaired because it was believed it would take too much time and be too expensive.[8]
According to Lepowski, "virtually every relevant safety instrument" was "either in short supply, malfunctioning or designed improperly", and "internal documents show that the company knew this prior to the disaster, but did nothing about it".[8]
Themistocles D'Silva contends in The Black Box of Bhopal that the design of the MIC plant, following government guidelines, was "Indianized" by UCIL engineers to maximize the use of indigenous materials and products. It also dispensed with the use of sophisticated instrumentation as not appropriate for the Indian plant. Because of the unavailability of electronic parts in India, the Indian engineers preferred pneumatic instrumentatio
E' la vecchia guardia e i suoi interventi sul darkside sono imprescindibili, affronta il lato oscuro del sesso estremo con l'approccio dostojeschiano dell'uomo che soffre, mitizza e somatizza.UN DEMONE
Now I lay me down to sleep,Pray the lord my soul to keep.And if I die before I wake pray the lord my soul to take.
Now I lay me down to sleep,Pray the lord my soul to keep.And if I die before I wake pray the lord my soul to take.
Raccomandata da chi, dallo stesso Santoro? Disse in un'intervista di stimarlo e lui la chiamó per conoscerla, proponendole di collaborare con lui. Se li avesse intervistati un altro collaboratore di Anno Zero sarebbe cambiato qualcosa? Lo ha fatto egregiamente. Conta questo.Padoa_Schioppa ha scritto:Che bello vedere una raccomandata come Beatrice Borromeo intervistare gli operai torinesi. Ah! Che gran bel paese l'Italia!
E' intelligente, colta, ha proprietà di linguaggio... ma siccome di cognome fa Borromeo ed è ricca non deve tentare la strada del giornalismo.
Dici bene: Che gran bel paese l'Italia! Fino a quando si reggerà sull'invidia...
Per piacere, di fronte a temi seri, abbi la decenza di porti con serietà .
Sono assolutamente d'accordo con Victor.
Questa specie di classismo al contrario non mi pare nemmeno più tanto di moda.
Impariamo a giudicare ed eventualmente apprezzare le persone per quello che dicono,non per quello che sono.
E tanto per chiarire il concetto, a me non piace nè Santoro nè la Borromeo.
PS: Ma a parte me, nessuno del Forum ha donato qualcosa ai familiari delle vittime?
Questa specie di classismo al contrario non mi pare nemmeno più tanto di moda.
Impariamo a giudicare ed eventualmente apprezzare le persone per quello che dicono,non per quello che sono.
E tanto per chiarire il concetto, a me non piace nè Santoro nè la Borromeo.
PS: Ma a parte me, nessuno del Forum ha donato qualcosa ai familiari delle vittime?
Non votate per me. Io sono fuori dal Cerchio Magico.
domani...Ortheus ha scritto:Sono assolutamente d'accordo con Victor.
Questa specie di classismo al contrario non mi pare nemmeno più tanto di moda.
Impariamo a giudicare ed eventualmente apprezzare le persone per quello che dicono,non per quello che sono.
E tanto per chiarire il concetto, a me non piace nè Santoro nè la Borromeo.
PS: Ma a parte me, nessuno del Forum ha donato qualcosa ai familiari delle vittime?
faccio due conti ma dovrebbe essere 1 giornata (netta) di lavoro...
più utile di uno sciopero...(imho..ovvio..)
sulla borromeo..
quoto sulla borromeo..a prescindere dalle battute (ho una semivenerazione per quella ragazza..ovviamente sul forum ci gioco anche con sta cosa)
E' la vecchia guardia e i suoi interventi sul darkside sono imprescindibili, affronta il lato oscuro del sesso estremo con l'approccio dostojeschiano dell'uomo che soffre, mitizza e somatizza.UN DEMONE
Now I lay me down to sleep,Pray the lord my soul to keep.And if I die before I wake pray the lord my soul to take.
Now I lay me down to sleep,Pray the lord my soul to keep.And if I die before I wake pray the lord my soul to take.
Non voglio essere irrispettoso o controcerrente,ma io no do un €,la morte sul lavoro per incuria di chichessia non e' paragonabile ad un terremoto o uno tsunami:ci sono dei colpevoli e questi devono pagare.Poi lo so anch' io come funziona in Italia pero'(IMHO)tutta questa confusione mediatica,malgrado la drammaticita' della morte dei poveretti,serve per distrarci dalle varie crisi e crisette della politica,ogni giorno muoiono persone sul lavoro e noi tutti ce ne sbattiamo,qua' in FVG durante i giorni della Thyssen sono morti :un metameccanico di 34 anni colpito alla testa da un pezzo di metallo in laminatoio,un lavoratore sulle piste da sci scivolato in un canalone con la ruspa,per loro niente clamore mediatico o sottoscrizioni varie.
Questa sera(sono operaio metaleccanico)faro' due ore di sciopero a fine turno(io e certi colleghi lo chiamiamo permesso non retribuito)Da quando faccio l' op. metalmeccanico ho partecipato a tutti gli scioperi,tranne a quello contro il terrorismo dell' 11 settembre che francamente mi sembrava un boiata.
Con questo non volgio offendere la memoria di gente che e' morta portando a casa la pagnotta facendo un lavoro che non vuole fare nessuno,sia chiaro.
Mandi.
Questa sera(sono operaio metaleccanico)faro' due ore di sciopero a fine turno(io e certi colleghi lo chiamiamo permesso non retribuito)Da quando faccio l' op. metalmeccanico ho partecipato a tutti gli scioperi,tranne a quello contro il terrorismo dell' 11 settembre che francamente mi sembrava un boiata.
Con questo non volgio offendere la memoria di gente che e' morta portando a casa la pagnotta facendo un lavoro che non vuole fare nessuno,sia chiaro.
Mandi.
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E' intelligente, è colta, come migliaia di persone. Peró lavora lei, la sorella della Parodi, la figlia di Geronzi...Victor ha scritto:Raccomandata da chi, dallo stesso Santoro? Disse in un'intervista di stimarlo e lui la chiamó per conoscerla, proponendole di collaborare con lui. Se li avesse intervistati un altro collaboratore di Anno Zero sarebbe cambiato qualcosa? Lo ha fatto egregiamente. Conta questo.Padoa_Schioppa ha scritto:Che bello vedere una raccomandata come Beatrice Borromeo intervistare gli operai torinesi. Ah! Che gran bel paese l'Italia!
E' intelligente, colta, ha proprietà di linguaggio... ma siccome di cognome fa Borromeo ed è ricca non deve tentare la strada del giornalismo.
Dici bene: Che gran bel paese l'Italia! Fino a quando si reggerà sull'invidia...
Per piacere, di fronte a temi seri, abbi la decenza di porti con serietà .
Le tasse sono bellissime!
"Avete capito? Qui non serve un perito..." Bugo, Il Sintetizzatore
"Avete capito? Qui non serve un perito..." Bugo, Il Sintetizzatore
La figlia e nipote di Berliguer,la sorella di Buttiglione,etc,etc,etc.
Dimenticavo,per la Tyssen 30.000€ sono come per me bruscolini, e l' immagine non e' poi tanto sputtanata(specie a livello internazionale).
Quando compriamo qualsiasi cosa in metallo non ci poniamo il problema se sia thyssen luvata o vattelo a pescare...
Dimenticavo,per la Tyssen 30.000€ sono come per me bruscolini, e l' immagine non e' poi tanto sputtanata(specie a livello internazionale).
Quando compriamo qualsiasi cosa in metallo non ci poniamo il problema se sia thyssen luvata o vattelo a pescare...